Episode 103: Binge Eating: It’s Not a Joke w/ Krystal Dunham

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In this episode of The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, Emily and Hannah are joined by Binge Eating Disorder Recovery Dietitian, Krystal Dunham. Krystal discusses binge eating and how it's more prevalent than we think. Krystal debunks misconceptions about binge eating and what type of nutrition approach may be most helpful for people with binge eating. Lastly, Krystal leaves some helpful tips if you feel yourself resonating with this episode topic. Also tune into the bonus question to find out Krystal’s preference of Cheez-Its vs. Goldfish!

Krystal Dunham (she/her/hers) is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist who helps individuals navigate nutrition to nourish their bodies, improve their health, and heal their relationship with food. She uses Intuitive Eating approaches to help clients ditch diets and relearn what health means for them.

While she provides nutrition care to all individuals, she is most passionate about working with diverse communities, because many times risky dieting and restrictive behaviors go unnoticed in these communities.

Her path to becoming a dietitian drew her to the Peace Corps from 2016-2018. She returned to Oklahoma where she earned her master’s in Nutrition and Food Science and is a licensed dietitian in Oklahoma, Texas, and Oregon.

She lives in the Tulsa Metropolitan area with her husband.

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hello guys welcome back to a brand
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spanking new episode of the upbeat
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dietitians podcast today we have a
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wonderful guest with us we are joined by
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Crystal Dunham she is a registered
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dietitian nutritionist who helps
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individuals navigate nutrition to
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nourish their bodies improve their
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health and heal their relationship with
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food she uses intuitive eating
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approaches to help clients Stitch the
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diets and relearn what health means for
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them while she provides nutrition to all
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individuals she is most passionate about
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working with diverse communities because
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many times risky dieting and restrictive
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behaviors go unnoticed in these
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communities her path to becoming a
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dietitian Drew her to the Peace Corps in
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or from 2016 to 2018 she returned to
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Oklahoma where she earned her Masters in
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nutrition in food science and is a
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licensed dietitian in Oklahoma Texas and
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Oregon
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she lives in the Tulsa metropolitan area
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with her with her husband we are so
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excited for today's episode we're going
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to talk about all things binge eating
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and cannot wait for you to listen
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enjoy
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that was so crazy
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I was like I could end it there enjoy
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okay enjoy
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Hello everybody welcome back to another
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episode of the upbeat dietitians podcast
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hello everyone we have a special guest
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with us today Crystal will be joining us
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to discuss all things binge eating but
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before we get into the nitty-gritty we
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want to hear just kind of from you
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Crystal thank you so much for being here
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by the way right away we're so excited
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to have you on yeah thanks for having me
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I've just been waiting to sit down and
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chat with both of you
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so
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Crystal tell us a little bit about
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yourself so our listeners just kind of
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know who you are and besides just being
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a dietitian because that's typically we
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tend to bring on but what maybe like a
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day in the life looks like what you do
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for work uh past education hobbies
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anything like that yeah so I'm a
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dietitian
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I think I I've always I always feel like
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I've lived several lives
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um so my this is my third fourth fifth
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career I don't know I've kind of lost
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track
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um so I actually have an undergrad in
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business and
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um I went to school did that it seemed
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like the easy four years in and out and
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then I started working
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um in corporate USA and I hated every
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moment of my life
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and so um I guess how I found dietetics
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nutrition
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um during that time I would just sit in
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my office and just listen to podcasts
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about nutrition at that time I ran a lot
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I was into like Endurance Sports and
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things of that nature and of course when
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the ugly side that comes from that you
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get kind of sucked into how can I eat
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the healthiest and be the healthiest and
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do all of the things
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um so kind of twofold a good thing came
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out of it my current career but kind of
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getting into like that the restriction
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and all of the crazy stuff
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um so anyhow I ended up
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um through that deciding to go back to
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school to become a dietitian
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um I served in the Peace Corps
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um so like I said I've lived a lot of
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lives
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um and I currently live in Tulsa with my
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husband and all of my plants and my my
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garden
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oh we love a fellow plant parent Emily
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and I uh we dabble I'd say we dabble
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right Emily we're not really hardcore
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yet I don't do anything with gardening
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it's all my partner Hannah you do much
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more than me Emily watches from afar I'd
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say I'm a plant parent but it's more of
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like a plant graveyard at my house I'm
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trying to like learn and get better so
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practice makes progress I suppose the
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best the planned parents is going to
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sound awful because this would not work
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in any other circumstance but the best
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plant parents or plant parents who have
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killed a few plants
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yeah it definitely only applies to plant
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parents
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I love that you go ahead I just wanted
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to say I love that you've had so many
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different careers I feel like yes anyone
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hearing that would because they expect
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you to just know what you want to do
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when you're like 17 years old
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frontal lobe is not developed completely
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you have not been in the real world
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they should not be giving children that
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much power but
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but I love that your frontal lobe isn't
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developed enough to make a career
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decision but it's developed enough to
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sign a way for student loans but that's
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a completely different story
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that's our spin-off podcast
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oh my gosh but let's get into it instead
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of talking all your different careers
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which I'd love to do
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um but I'm sure people want to hear
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about kind of your expertise on binge
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eating so before we go into maybe like
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how to like
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deal with the binge eating or like
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common misconceptions let's just start
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off with what would you kind of Define
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or describe binge eating ass yeah
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um good question that can be kind of
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tricky right so if we're looking at the
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definition of binge eating the
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definition is consuming a large amount
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of food in one setting
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but what does that mean right so across
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cultures a large amount of food might
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look different than what we might see as
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a large amount of food and Western
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culture right so it can get a little a
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little murky
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um binge eating is really just as I
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mentioned like that description
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um when we're talking about eating
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disorder
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um further it can go into binge eating
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disorder which is an actual medical
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diagnosis that you're going to find in
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the DSM
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um and even with that there are a lot of
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limitations to that again going back to
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what is a large quantity of food what
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does that mean
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um and also what is the period of time
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is it within 30 minutes is it within
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three hours like how do we really really
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Define that
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and I think we know like kind of working
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in this space how our field is very
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eurocentric so
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um we know there's even still
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limitations to the diagnosis right
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because they're not really looking at a
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lot of populations right to determine a
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true diagnosis or Criterion for that
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diagnosis
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so true so true maybe a better not a
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better question but another question to
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kind of go along with this because it is
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so hard to Define is maybe like what
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would you say or excuse me would you say
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binge eating is not like what are some
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common misconceptions about it things
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that you hear that maybe is definitely
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not what you'd consider binge eating
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yeah yeah so to be very vague it's not a
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joke we know that and it's not just
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excessively overeating at Christmas or
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at a birthday party
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um and oh my gosh it irks me to my core
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when I hear other Medical Professional
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professionals make light of what binge
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eating is and for example I wasn't going
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to say this but I'm I'm I'm gonna say it
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um I went to go get a flu shot maybe
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last flu season and the nurse was asking
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me what I did and I usually don't like
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telling people what I do because then
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you get to hear about everything they've
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done right
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um one of my really good friends told me
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I just tell people I'm a teacher because
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technically you are so I'm like yeah no
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one asked about teachers but anyhow
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um I've gone to get a flu shot and I
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mentioned that I was a dietitian to this
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nurse who was giving me my shot
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and she said oh well what populations do
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you see like who do you work with I said
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I work in Eating Disorders specifically
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binge eating oh well my cat's a binge
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eater
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what oof
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so as a dietitian right like I know that
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is not binge eating but I'm thinking
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what if that was a patient like someone
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who really does need help with binge
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eating and I have a medical professional
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telling me like essentially it's a joke
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my cat does that so all that to say
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binge eating is not a joke it is it can
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be very problematic especially when it
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begins to interfere with people's
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well-being right when you're preoccupied
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and thinking about food all the time
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when your only way to deal with stress
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or cope with emotions is just by eating
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like that can become a problem
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um and we know that eating disorders in
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general
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um people have high rates of
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suicidal ideation and sometimes it can
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be even worse than that so that is my
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definition of what it is not
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yeah
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it's it's tough when
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people make jokes with it but especially
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Healthcare professionals as well because
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those are the ones that should be
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advocating for everyone and
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be a little bit more
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honestly like cautious but like your
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words hold a lot of power especially
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when you have any type of medical
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um background
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but
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yeah I feel like
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it's definitely
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it's definitely like joked about a lot
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it is and I'm correct in saying that
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binge eating disorder when it progresses
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to an eating disorder is the most common
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in the U.S right yes yes
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um I was actually looking the other day
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I think the one that gets all the
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Limelight is usually anorexia and not
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that it's not important but that affects
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about four percent of all eating
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disorder cases so yeah spin chicken is
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very common
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um and it's also one of the most common
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in men
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I didn't know that interesting I didn't
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know that either
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very interesting we actually just spoke
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with
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um her name's Leslie about big eraxia
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which isn't classified as an eating
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disorder technically but talked a lot
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about that and how that's also very
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common in men too so I didn't know that
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binge eating was probably even above
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that one I would assume yeah yeah yeah
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and I think one more misconception I
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want to mention is that many people just
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think that someone dealing with this can
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just stop right like yes remove the food
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whether it's the individual dealing with
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it on their own or a family member
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trying to help or a medical Perfection a
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profession who professional who is not
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equipped in this just think someone can
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stop and that just it's just really
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ridiculous to me yes I just made a tick
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tock about this like the other day of
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actually like the exact same thing the
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other thing I hear a lot is like just
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get those Foods out of the house like if
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you're always binging on sweets just
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stop buying sweets and that might work
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short term but long term that's not
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going to be an effective approach right
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right
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um it's funny not I I work with a lot of
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clients with binge eating disorder but
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also some that are just binge eat right
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not necessarily a diagnosis and we can
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go into
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do you have another spin-off about
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getting a diagnosis so
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um not a formal diagnosis but when many
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times when people are trying to deal
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with this on their self they think again
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let me just remove whatever it is let me
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remove the brownies let me remove the
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ice cream
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um to fix this and I mean I'm human I
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mean I like ice cream I know carrots
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aren't ice cream I know when Apple's not
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ice cream like it just kind of makes you
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just go in harder whenever you do have
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that food available again
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exactly exactly what's a really good
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segue into our next question so if our
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listeners are identifying that they
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themselves either just struggle with
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binge eating in general maybe even have
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binge eating disorder
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how do we treat this and I guess kind of
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a part two to that question is
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Emily I talk a lot about intuitive
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eating Health at every size all of that
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is that a good approach for treating
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binging disorder or just binge eating in
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general right right so I think the
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answer and this is like the Peace Corps
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answer I'm going to give you because I
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go back hey where am I going to live
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well it depends hey what should I bring
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to wear it's a pen so it depends right
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um I think we have to remember that
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Eating Disorders can travel a lot of
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times with trauma right whether it's
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I don't know
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um past history of abuse right or PTSD
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or OCD or whatever that might end that's
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more of a mental um diagnosis but they
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partner with trauma a lot and so it's
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really hard to start at intuitive eating
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when we haven't like addressed the other
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things
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and I mean in my practice I often have
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people who aren't even eating enough and
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so if we're not eating enough then it's
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really hard to get too intuitive eating
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or to practice from a weight inclusive
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lens right
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um so I think
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to answer your question like can we get
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there yes but I don't think we can start
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there
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that's such a good point about like
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figuring out what might be causing those
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behaviors because like
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it's almost like more of like that like
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symptom management where it's like not
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to say that like bingeing disorder is a
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symptom because it's a very serious
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um condition but if it's something like
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in any case situation where it's a side
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effect or something that came from
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something else if you just keep
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if you keep trying to like treat or
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work around that secondary effect but
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that first primary effect is still very
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much there and not being touched at all
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it's can be very difficult to work
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around that's true and that's I see that
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a lot where especially when clients come
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to me and they've been trying to work on
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it on their own right like it's not
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they're trying to fix the binge part but
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they're ignoring yeah the the trauma or
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even
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um clients with the history of food
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insecurity
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um I don't know if this is common in all
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private practices I think it should be
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but I screen all of my binge eating
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clients for food security whether it was
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in the past or present
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um again back to the point of you can't
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eat better better per se if you're not
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eating enough and if you don't have
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access to food right then you're
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probably not eating enough
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um but then even back in childhood there
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can be this fear of being hungry right
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if I've been in a position where I've
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been hungry before or I've been food
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insecure or maybe I grew up I I like to
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say families but I understand how
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everyone was raised with families right
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um there might be like guilt around
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certain foods
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however whenever you're raised or
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um there could be this desire to make up
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for lost time for things I didn't have
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when I was younger and now I can have
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them now
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um or even food rules from childhood I
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know clean your plate club right here
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um can really play into all of that and
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I don't think everyone thinks about that
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when they're dealing that eating
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disorders in general but it's such an
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important piece that I think needs to be
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addressed again before we talk about
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intuitive eating or Haze or weight
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neutral approach
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foreign
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like just telling someone to eat when
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they're hungry stop when they're full
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which we all know here that that's not
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what intuitive eating is all about but
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that is a big part of it that that's not
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going to work if you've got a history of
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food insecurity or you're currently
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struggling with food insecurity Growing
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Up With The Clean Plate Club like it's
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going to be so hard to just honor those
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hunger and fullness cues if they're even
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there to begin with like maybe you have
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to even figure out what those even feel
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like for you and kind of build trust
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back up with your body to like get those
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to be there again it's I guess the
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bottom line is that it's all just so
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complex it's not just stop binge eating
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and you'll be fine it's so much more
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than that yeah yeah and just to think
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how dismissive that can be to a client
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right like just stop when you're full
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even you're hungry like does it smell
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good is it crunchy is it salty like it's
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just like really kind of a slap in the
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face and they're like
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my snap ran out last week so I'm eating
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Doritos from the vending machine at work
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because that's all I have money for
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right exactly I feel like
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I'm always
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a little nervous to talk about the nine
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to five on air but in one of my past
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jobs I have worked with a clientele base
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who food insecurity was not an issue
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with the large large majority of them
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and that's that's to say that like
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there's a there's many things that come
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with that but the current population I'm
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working with now there's a lot more
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fruit insecurity
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and I feel like the biggest reason I
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personally know about is because of the
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social worker I work with like they are
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very good about the different
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assessments they do they're very aware
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of but their home life looks like
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but and this is in like a
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scenario or like a scenario this isn't a
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area of work where I know there's going
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to be like more lower income individuals
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but in the other place or
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other rotations I've done just in my
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diet internship we never really talked
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about food insecurity that much like
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screening for it let alone past history
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of it I feel like I love that you said
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that because you can be
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secure right now but if you have that
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history that's going to play a huge part
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in just like your mental status and like
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your mental perception of food
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and I feel like there's not enough
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screening around that yeah absent
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present I I agree I agree and I mean all
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of our programs were so different right
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and I think we talked about what foods
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insecurity is and like the
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technicalities of it but other than that
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it wasn't like this may be part of your
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job screening that people have food to
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eat instead of just showing them my
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plate
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I'm telling them what to eat
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I just like had a memory too now that
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we're talking about this and like our
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programs speaking of like anorexia and
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like bed and the differences and all the
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different things
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we I'm thinking maybe from Emily and I
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had the same program at least for our
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undergrad
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um do you recall us ever really talking
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about binge eating or was it like mostly
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anorexia as kind of what I recall us
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talking it was anorexia and bulimia
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those were the big two we like I think
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there was maybe like one or two bullet
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points on binge eating disorder which is
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crazy because we said it's the most
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popular one in the US most common one
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and I'm like that's more than I even
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remember I I know there's a chapter
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about it
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maybe in our m t book but I don't know
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if we ever went over it together it
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might have been like maybe read this if
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you're interested
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yeah yeah we were we were lucky to have
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one class at least one class on
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nutrition counseling we went over
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intuitive eating and things like that
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but even with that we didn't really
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I don't know we didn't go into the
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nitty-gritty of the food insecurity and
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things like that like you would in real
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life
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um so I feel like a lot of our job is so
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much just getting your hands dirty and
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learning it when you're in there yeah
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that's like revolutionary that you even
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had a class on that I remember doing uh
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we got to choose a topic and I chose
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intuitive eating wow and it was me
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teaching the professor and the class and
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answering questions
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um and I mean I came out guns blazing I
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still was learning a lot so it's it's
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awesome that you had like an actual like
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presentation of that
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yeah we have one Professor who is super
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into that side of things thankfully
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because as I'm sure you know not all
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professors are aligned with that side of
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things yeah
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well we have kind of touched on a few
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tips but we've kind of talked about too
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how maybe intuitive eating Haze weight
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neutrality all of that isn't like a for
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sure thing to do when you are working on
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treating binging disorder or binge
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eating so what are maybe some like
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tangible takeaway tips our listeners
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could work on and I know it's so tough
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because everyone's
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cause and how they react to all these
21:43
things is so different but we love to
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give our listeners some things to kind
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of practice and take away from so what
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are some practices and tips for
21:51
listeners to work on if they do struggle
21:53
with binge eating yeah
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um of course this is not sexy
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um
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start with trying to eat three meals a
22:01
day I love it preferably consisting of
22:04
carbohydrate protein and a dietary fat
22:08
um if you are someone who has particular
22:11
trigger foods or binge Foods don't cut
22:14
them out completely I think still
22:17
incorporating them specifically if
22:19
you're able to incorporate them at a
22:21
certain meal or a certain time like
22:23
every day
22:25
um just because like over time it can
22:27
begin to lose kind of the novelty
22:30
um and as we spoke to getting rid of it
22:34
completely often backfires it might work
22:37
for a small amount of time but it's not
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really uh a long game situation so yeah
22:43
like eating three meals a day trying to
22:46
include carbohydrates protein and a
22:48
dietary fat with that
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um not trying to get rid of the binge
22:53
food
22:54
um I understand in our country I
22:57
make another podcast for this about
23:00
insurance and being insured but
23:02
underinsured or not don't get Emily
23:04
started I insurance is like the Public
23:09
Enemy Number One I cannot stand
23:12
insurance so much like we'd have to make
23:16
an entire podcast about it like we'd
23:18
make a new one it's like
23:20
the upbeat
23:22
financial
23:23
advisor dietitians or like something
23:26
like that and it'd just be we could go
23:29
down like the line on all these
23:30
different programs I don't even know but
23:32
I support yes
23:35
oh my gosh so as as much as insurance
23:39
makes some of our service more
23:41
accessible it also may not change for
23:44
some people they may have insurance and
23:45
never be able to see a dietitian
23:48
um but if it's an option maybe check
23:50
with your insurance and see if you can
23:51
work with a dietitian particularly one
23:53
that specializes in binge eating
23:56
um but those are kind of my my takeaways
24:00
I feel those on really great ways to
24:02
start and then
24:04
especially if you want to go further
24:06
like working with that
24:08
specialized Healthcare professional in
24:11
that area making sure that they have the
24:14
proper background to help you out as
24:16
well definitely that they won't compare
24:18
you to their cat please avoid yes that's
24:21
a red flag run boxer
24:26
uh yeah Lord have mercy oh my gosh well
24:29
Crystal thank you so much for coming on
24:31
this was such a great episode we haven't
24:34
really dived into binge eating at all so
24:37
this will be no even though we get
24:39
questions constantly it's supposed to be
24:41
such a good episode to refer back to we
24:43
will we're going to refer to this so
24:44
much so preparingly overwhelmed no I
24:47
don't know probably that's exactly what
24:49
I need
24:52
but if our listeners want to hear more
24:55
from you where can they find you
24:58
yeah so I'm mostly on Instagram as the
25:01
mother Road dietitian
25:04
um and I I dabble in Tick Tock I might
25:08
have five videos but there are way too
25:10
many trolls on Tick Tock for me I don't
25:13
know how you do it Hannah I just I'm
25:15
like just because I did something
25:16
doesn't mean you had to and you also
25:19
don't have to comment
25:20
it's absurd we've actually done episodes
25:23
on just reacting to Tick-Tock trolls
25:26
because there's enough of them to make a
25:27
full episode on it's Insanity who knows
25:31
mostly on Instagram
25:33
um that's where that's where they can
25:35
find me
25:37
I wanted to quickly backtrack because I
25:39
realized I completely messed up the
25:41
order of our episode today
25:45
we before I'm supposed to ask you
25:50
we like to let you give your final
25:53
thoughts so they already got your
25:55
information before they get to hear your
25:56
final thoughts so we're preemptively
25:58
jump in there so
26:01
we're gonna switch back around Crystal
26:03
if you're or
26:05
we like to joke if there's like one
26:07
thing our listeners listen to which like
26:09
no one is accurately like clicking it up
26:11
in the episode to just jump to this end
26:13
but like hypothetically if they would
26:15
only hear one thing or like one summary
26:20
of this episode what would you want to
26:23
leave them with like your final thoughts
26:25
on Benji oh man
26:29
wow okay let me let me give it a think
26:33
real quick
26:34
loaded question yeah
26:36
I think I mean maybe this is going to
26:41
sound generic but I say this to my
26:42
clients all the time that
26:45
to give themselves compassion about this
26:48
situation I think we can be so hard on
26:51
ourselves especially clients I have that
26:54
are in their 50s and 60s and literally
26:56
will say I'm 50 or 60. I should know how
26:58
to do this by now right and it makes
27:02
sense why you may not be able to so
27:05
um in a world of diet culture make
27:06
another podcast for that I mean that is
27:09
so the main takeaway would be um to give
27:12
yourself compassion because this work is
27:14
not easy
27:16
um and just taking the first step it's
27:18
hard but it's going to be so worth it
27:22
I don't think that's generic at all I
27:23
don't think many of us have a whole lot
27:25
of self-compassion honestly like that's
27:27
like a a luxury for a lot of people so
27:30
totally agree just like giving yourself
27:32
so much grace through this journey is so
27:34
important
27:35
well Crystal thank you so much for
27:37
coming on
27:39
we enjoyed having you on for everyone
27:42
who's listening or just jumping on and
27:45
you're wondering where our bonus
27:46
question is you'll have to listen and
27:48
tune in on the
27:57
check it out there link is in our
28:00
Instagram bio
28:03
um to hear
28:04
what the bonus question is but
28:07
we're done with the nitty-gritty of
28:08
today Crystal thank you so much for
28:10
coming on it was an absolute pleasure
28:12
and we know that our listeners
28:15
definitely took away something from
28:16
today thank you so much for having me
28:19
and we I'd love to chat again with you
28:21
throw me another topic oh absolutely
28:24
let's hover on for the insurance one
28:26
Emily there we could just talk for hours
28:31
10 part episode we'll have to like start
28:33
at like 7 A.M and just
28:35
fill a whole day
28:38
well Crystal thanks again we can't wait
28:40
to have a listeners hear this and we
28:42
will see you guys all next week
28:44
bye guys

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